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Town of Lisbon,
St. Lawrence County, Lisbon,
New York, 13658

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TOWN OF LISBON  

TOWN BOARD MEETING

NOVEMBER 12, 2008

6:00 PM

Present: Supervisor Don Strader, Councilman C. Joseph Collins, Town Clerk Donna McBath, Councilman Tom Schneller, Attorney Charles Nash, esq., Councilman C. Roger Shoen, Highway Superintendent Timothy Dow, Councilman Vincent Winters                       

Guest: Larry Trombley, Dane Brenno, Will Glass, Dave McBath, Bruce Green, Earl Bonno Jr., Augie Bonno

1.    Meeting Called to Order

      Supervisor Don Strader called the meeting to order at 6:00 PM.

2.    Pledge Allegiance

3.    Minutes Approvals

A. October 8, 2008

Councilman Schneller made a motion, seconded by Supervisor Strader to approve the regular meeting minutes of October 8, 2008                       Ayes - 5       Nays - 0

B. October 14, 2008

Councilman Schneller made a motion, seconded by Councilman Winters to approve the budget meeting minutes of October 14, 2008                       Ayes - 5       Nays - 0

C. October 22, 2008

Councilman Winters made a motion, seconded by Councilman Schneller to approve the budget meeting minutes of October 22, 2008                       Ayes - 5       Nays - 0

D. November 5, 2008

Councilman Winters made a motion, seconded by Councilman Collins to approve the special meeting minutes of November 5, 2008.                Ayes - 5       Nays - 0

4.    Approval of Town Clerks Report

Councilman Schneller made a motion, seconded by Supervisor Strader to approve the Town Clerk's Report for the month of October 2008       Ayes - 5       Nays - 0

5.    Approval of Town Justice Reports

Councilman Schneller made a motion, seconded by Supervisor Winters to accept the Justice Reports for the month of October 2008.             Ayes - 5     Nays - 0

6.       Recognition of Guest

      Maple Island Road

            Augie Bonno - Had concerns about the east end of Maple Island Road which has been

            abandoned.   At this time there is a pole barn that is practically built on the road.   Also, in

            the past there have been machinery and miscellanious items that were left on the town

            highway section.   Mr. Bonno wanted to know if this problem have been resolved within the

            Town Board and Code Enforcer so the other land owners and himself would be able to get

            back to their land from this abandoned road. Mr. Bonno did state that he was informed that

            the barn would be practically removed so the legal distance from the middle road to the

            building is correct Supervisor Strader stated that the problem had been corrected. The

            landowner, Mr. Stephen Bonno, will be correcting the problem with the barn and has a year

            to do it.   He also stated that the equipment should be removed from the road.

            Earl Bonno Jr . asked when did the year begin?   Supervisor Strader said he did not know, but

            would look into getting the answer.   Supervisor Strader stated that Mr. S. Bonno had been

            notified that the Lisbon road and the abandoned road is to remain clear at all times, so land

            owners can have access to their land.

            Dane Brenno and David McBath had the same concerns as Augie Bonno and Earl Bonno Jr.

Bruce Green - Town of Lisbon Assessor Assessor Bruce Green informed the board that he had been working on the reassessment (reval) on parcels in the Town of Lisbon. It should be completed and sent to St. Lawrence County by February 2009. Reassessments are to be completed every 3 years, or when the state says the town is out of whack. Supervisor Strader asked why the equalization rate had gone down 11%.   Assessor Green stated that the state informed him that comparable sales were not equal to what their assessments were.   He stated that it was actually 16% off the 100% assessment.   By the town being under at 89% equalization rate, it would not received that aid in January 2009.

            Will Glass asked questions concerning the budget

•     Revenue - A2001 Park Fees - for the future year 2009 budget the board is estimating for revenue from the Park Fees of $115,000.00.   The year of 2008 estimated revenue from the Park Fees was $55,000.00.   Why the high increase?   Supervisor Strader stated that he thought in 2007 we took in approximately $76,000 to $86,000.   This year we received over approximately $100,000.   Next year some of the fees will be raised.   If the beach stays as busy as it has been in the last couple of years, hopefully we will take in that much if not more.

•     Expenses - A7020.1 Parks & Rec. Camp - for the year 2008 the budget was $8,500.00. Why was it increased to $20,0000.00 for the year 2009? Supervisor Strader stated this budget line was for Mike O'Neil, Campground Director.   He works from the first of April to the first of November.   June, July August and part of September he is on the grounds, available 24 hours a day and probably putting in 40 hours a week on the average.   From the first of November until he returns in April, he continues to receive phone calls as Campground Director. Supervisor Strader felt he should be compensated according to the job he is doing and the time he is putting in.   Mr. Glass stated that was quite a range in the times we are in now.   Supervisor Strader stated it is.   He felt that in order to keep the person that is doing a good job we need to pay them accordingly.   Mr. Glass asked who came up with this figure, the board or the recreation committee? Supervisor Strader stated that Campground Director O'Neil is not under the Recreation Committee.   The figure came from the full board with the exception of Councilman Shoen, as he had to work, and Campground Director O'Neil at a budget hearing.   Mr. Glass stated that it's more money than the Town Supervisor make and the Supervisor is responsible for a multi-billion dollar budget.  

                    Mr. Glass questioned what our tax rate would be for 2009?   Supervisor Strader stated

                    that it would be 5.96. Hopefully when we get to the end of the year we'll have more

                     money to carry over so there should be a tax rate decrease.

•    Mr. Glass asked how much our assessment rate goes up.   Supervisor Strader stated that

   it went up by $2,000.000, which is less that 1%.

7.    Approval of Transfers

Councilman Collins made a motion, seconded by Councilman Winters to approve the transfers for October 2008.

            Transfer $1,311.82

To:

General 7110.1 Parks/Payroll (Maint. & Security)

From:

General 1770.2 - Parks/Campground EQ

              Transfer $1,489.91

To:

General 7110.4 Parks/Campground CE

From:

General 1770.2 - Parks/Campground EQ

            Transfer $742.05

To:

General 7180.1 Special Rec. (Beach) Payroll

From:

General 1770.2 - Parks/Campground EQ

            Transfer $3,000.00

To:

General 7310.4 Youth Programs Payroll

From:

General 1620.4 - Buildings/Shared Sves./ CE

                  Transfer $662.93

To:

Highway 5140.1 Misc. (Brush & Weeds) PS

From:

Highway 5110.1 Maintenance of Roads PS (Gen. Repairs)

                                                                        Ayes - 5             Nays - 0

8.    Approval of Abstracts

Councilman Schneller made a motion, seconded by Councilman Winters to approve the abstracts from October 2008.

a.   General

$28,735.19

b.   Highway

$62,077.88

c.   Water

$350.13

d.   Sewer

$128.51

e.   Library

$919.45

Total

$92,211.16

                                                            Ayes - 5     Nays - 0

9.    Approval of Supervisor Report

Councilman Schneller made a motion, seconded by Councilman Shoen to approve the Supervisor Report.                                                Ayes - 5       Nays - 0

10. Report from Legislator Forsythe

Was not in attendance. - Supervisor Strader informed the board that the Town of Lisbon submitted a grant from the Tribal State Compact Revenue Sharing.

11. Highway Superintendent Report

Superintendent Dow stated he had nothing to report with the exception that he may need more diesel fuel before the next meeting.

12. Old Business

A. Adoption of the Budget of 2009

Councilman Schneller made a motion, seconded by Councilman Shoen to adopt the budget for the year of 2009.                                  Ayes - 5       Nays - 0

B. Land Purchasing -

Councilman Schneller made a motion, seconded by Councilman Winters to approve the Supervisor Strader to sign the purchase agreement of purchasing land from Robin Moore of 19.4 acres.

                                                            Ayes - 5     Nays - 0

C. Bids for Wheeler Loader

            1.             Nortax - John Deere 624J bid was $1,330,823, minus trade in of $50,000. The

                            total would be $83,823.00

      2. Tracey - Hyundai HL757-7A, bid was $105,655.00, minus trade in of

                        $45,000.00.   The total would be $$60,655.   In the discussion of this loader, the spec

                        required that it have Ride Control and Air Condition in the agreement.   They did not

                        approve this in the spec.

3. Tracey - New Howland W170, bid was $106,745.00, minus trade in of $45,000.00.   The total would be $61,745.00.   On November 7 Town Clerk McBath was notified by letter that Tracey requested to remove the bid due to manufacture issues.

4. Monroe Tractor - Case 721E, bid was $119,725.65, minus trade in of $49,050.   The total would be $70,675.65.   It was discussed that this loader is the same size that we are trading in.

5. Milton Cat - Cat 930H, bid was $113,844.00, minus trade in of $47,000.00.   The total would be $$66,844.00.   The was discussed that the loader is the same size that we are trading in.

                  7.     Milton Cat - Cat 938H, bid was $123,439.00, minus trade in of $47,000.00.   The total would be $76,439.00.   This loader is one size larger than what is being traded in.

Supervisor Strader made a motion, seconded by Councilman Winters to approve of purchasing the Cat 938H for the total of $76,439.00.   Total amount of the loader is $123,439.00, minus trade in of $47,000.00.   $55,000.00 will be paid within 30days of delivery. The remaining $21,439.00 will be paid in January 2009.                   Ayes - 5       Nays - 0

      D. Bids for surplus equipment

We received two bids for the 1999 Cat 938 G/drive.   L & M bid $26,700.00 and Tom Graveline bid $8,500.00.   Both bids have been refused as we are receiving a higher trade in value when purchasing the new Wheel Loader.

            We received two bids for the 1984 International Single Axel Truck.   Clinton Green bid

            $3,851.00 and L & M $590.00.

Supervisor Strader made a motion, seconded by Councilman Schneller to accept the bid of $3,851.00 from Clinton Green for the 1984 International Single Axel Truck.

                                                                              Ayes - 5       Nays - 0

      E.    Joint Economic Development Committee

            Supervisor Strader received a letter providing a list of reasons the Town of Lisbon should

            continue to participate in the Joint Economic Development Committee and   the benefits

            Lisbon has derived from participation to date. Supervisor Strader asked for a discussion on

            whether Town of Lisbon should continue their membership or discontinue their

            membership with the JEDC. He stated that we have not benefited from it in the last couple

of years and may not benefit from it next year. Supervisor Strader suggested to think of the future and consider the $5,000.00 as an investment.

After little discussion, a roll call was done to ask the board to remain as a member of the JEDC.

Councilman Collins

Aye

Councilman Schneller  

Nay

Councilman Winters

Nay

Supervisor Strader

Aye

Councilman Shoen

Nay

              On the basis of this roll call of 2 Ayes and 3 Nays it was decided not to remain as a

            member of JEDC.

•  New Business

                  A.             Resolution # 15 Supporting a High Priority Planning Grant for Four Municipalities to Study Developing a Regional Joint Water System.

resolution # 15 2008

supporting a High Priority Planning Grant

  for four municipalities to study developing

a Regionial Joint Water System

WHEREAS , the Towns of Oswegatchie, Lisbon and the Village of Heuvelton hired Burley - Guminiak & Associates, Consulting Engineers, PLLC to conduct a preliminary engineering report investigating the feasibility of developing a joint water system; and

WHEREAS , the City of Ogdensburg, the current owner of a municipal water system, was invited by the Towns of Oswegatchie, Lisbon and the Village of Heuvelton to conduct hydraulic modeling, preliminary engineering, and a scoping study to determine if the City has capacity to provide water to the joint water system; and

WHEREAS , the City hired Burley - Guminiak & Associates to conduct the study and it was determined that the City has the capacity available to become a regional provider of water to the adjacent communities; and

WHERAS it is necessary to evaluate the financial impacts of establishing a joint regional water system for each of the communities; and

WHERAS the City has agreed to assemble an application for a $50,000 High Priority Planning Grant through the New York Department of State's Division of Local Government Services for the purpose of examining the potential financial savings and management improvements from developing a regional water system, and if mutually applicable, studying the necessary charter revisions and developing an inter-municipal agreement for the joint water system; and

WHEREAS if funded, the Towns of Oswegatchie, Lisbon, Village of Heuvelton, City of Ogdensburg, and the Ogdensburg Bridge and Port Authority each agree to contribute $1,000 for a total of $5,000 for the required 10 % local match;  

NOW, BE IT THEREFORE RESOLVED , that the City of Ogdensburg is hereby designated as the lead applicant; the Towns of Oswegatchie, Lisbon and the Village of Heuvelton are co-applicants; and the Ogdensburg Bridge and Port Authority is an interested and supporting party; and

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED , that Arthur J. Sciorra, Ogdensburg City Manager, is hereby authorized by the Lisbon Town Board to submit an application to the Local Government Efficiency grant program for the 2008-2009 program year and to execute all financial and/or administrative processes relating to the grant program.

In witness thereof, I have hereunto set my hand this 12th day of November 2008.

Donna D. McBath

Town Clerk

Title of Recording Officer

Councilman Schneller made a motion seconded by Supervisor Strader to approve Resolution 15 - Supporting a High Priority Planning Grant for Four Municipalities to Study Developing a Regional Joint Water System.                                          Ayes - 5                   Nays - 0

B.             AJ Septic - Town Clerk McBath informed the board that AJ Septic pumped the beach septic out for free.   The board asked for Town Clerk McBath to send a thank you to Mr. Hurst.

      14.       Executive Session

Supervisor Strader made a motion, seconded by Councilman Shoen to go into executive session at 7:00 PM concerning Verizon Law Suite.                Ayes - 5           Nays - 0

Councilman Collins made a motion, seconded by Councilman Winters to return to the regular meeting at 7:15 PM.                                      Ayes - 5           Nays - 0

      15. Adjournment

Councilman Winters made a motion, seconded by Councilman Shoen to adjourn the meeting at 7:16 P.M.                                                                     Ayes - 5           Nays - 0

Respectfully Submitted,

Donna D. McBath

Town Clerk

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